Andrew: What did you do today? Oh did you send your film, in?

Jocelyn: I did. I biked downtown for like the first time since shelter in place, which is kind of surprising to me, I guess, but that is surprising, but I'm realizing there's no reason for me to go downtown other than to go to work, which I'm fine with. Like I'd rather just hang out and do my shit elsewhere and just, you know, work is work in one location and once I leave, then I just don't have to think about it, but yeah, I went down, down market street. It was pretty empty. It was shell. Just give the folks at Glass Key, my film and just biked home. That was my big errand for two hours. I'm not sure, but there was like a little area in the front where they had like plastic. So then you just kind of like hand in your stuff and then you can leave.

Andrew: That's cool.

Jocelyn: Yeah. What do you do?

Andrew: I cleaned up my kitchen.

Jocelyn: That's exciting.

Andrew: Yeah. I think that ever since we got a puppy, the apartment is getting a little like crazy, cause we're focused on the puppy. So very much kind of just like trying to get things together. Cause we have all this. Yeah. That's true.

Jocelyn: I must ask you, do you have like a favorite cleaning brand?

Andrew: I don't know if I have a favorite cleaning brand. Honestly, I do like the unscented seventh generation. I think it's the brand. I think this year I've just realized I like all unscented.

Jocelyn: Are we talking like unscented, laundry detergent and toothpaste and like shampoo and stuff?

Andrew: Oh no, I think it was mostly just like soaps things that I use pretty much regularly because we had to wash our hands and anything in terms of dish soap and stuff.

Jocelyn: Yeah

Andrew: I think with clothes, I think it's okay. And a lot of the stuff I have just from the past, right. Like I don't, I haven't updated it since, because I just have extra of it. Right. Like I have tide, I just be using tide. Cause I had a giant thing of it and I haven't run out of it yet, so yeah. Yeah. But maybe I can look into new ones. I don't know.

Jocelyn: Yeah. I feel like we've gone through a few brands. I think we're just coming back to Mrs. Meyers, the lavender smell.

Andrew: I love mrs. Meyers. David doesn't love it as much because it's actually too scented for his nose. Okay. I understand why it is very fragrant.

Jocelyn: But it's so nice.

Andrew: It is nice. It is nice. I don't know if I like the lavender one though. I was always a lemon.

Jocelyn: I don't know if I've actually ever smelled the lemon or like bought the lemon.

Andrew: Yeah, the lemon. I am more of a citrus person. So like orange Mandarin, lemon.

Jocelyn: Yeah. Learning new things. [laughs] well, I guess we should get into it.

Andrew: Well, welcome to spicy

Jocelyn: Where one of us is sweet and one of us is spicy.

Andrew: I'm Andrew

Jocelyn: and I'm Jocelyn

Andrew: And today we're talking about...

Jocelyn: Resolutions goals, new year's things!

Andrew: New year's things. I mean, it's a new year, 2021.

Jocelyn: It's going to be a new year.

Andrew: I know. I mean, it's not a new year yet, but it will be a new year.

Jocelyn: It will

Andrew: Hopefully when you listen to this.

Jocelyn: Like a snake shedding its skin [laughs]

Andrew: Whoa okay.

Jocelyn: I don't know. What's a better analogy.

Andrew: I mean, that's a good one.

Jocelyn: A butterfly coming out of its cocoon.

Andrew: That's quite positive. I would say

Jocelyn: What's like a neutral image that we can conjure?

Andrew: I was going to say a Phoenix rising from the ashes, but that's not neutral.

Jocelyn: Okay. How about snow melting and basically, you know, just spring. Is that positive?

Andrew: I think that's kind of positive. Cause like you're getting rid of the cold to get into like new it's. I think that's the same thing old to new. Right. You made me think of evaporation for some reason.

Jocelyn: Interesting. So does this mean that like any type of transition is going to have some sort of like positive vibe to it?

Andrew: Unless a transition is bad, right?

Jocelyn: Yeah. I was just thinking like, if something dies

Andrew: Like flowers, wilting.

Jocelyn: Yeah.

Andrew: I don't know that was deep and I'm not sure. I mean, I don't know. I can't think of anything that is neutral because everything feels like something either becomes new or ends.

Jocelyn: Okay but our associations of these things, like we've been conditioned to think that these things are positive or negative.

Andrew: Very true

Jocelyn: When they just happen.

Andrew: Yes.

Jocelyn: Which is interesting.

Andrew: The circle of life. This morning i, my partner gave me the dog to hold and I held her up and I sang the circle of life while laying in bed this morning at like 7:30 in the morning. That's a total aside.

Jocelyn: Like Rifiki?

Andrew: Yeah. Basically in a really horrible raspy voice. Cause I just woke up.

Jocelyn: Do you let her sleep on your bed?

Andrew: No. And that's the reason why I was holding her up.

Jocelyn: Gotcha. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. So I like didn't want her to touch the bed cause I didn't want her to like know of the bed.

Jocelyn: So are you going to just like, not p- you're going to prevent her from ever experiencing the bed?

Andrew: Yes

Jocelyn: Okay.

Andrew: Yes. I mean she is aware there is a bed, I think. But yeah, right now we're teaching her to have her own bed and she will not sleep with us.

Jocelyn: Yeah. That's definitely a philosophy.

Andrew: I mean, new years goals. Right? Trying to bring it back

Jocelyn: Well now I'm just thinking of parents and how they they'll say they won't let their baby sleep in their bed, but then eventually they do.

Andrew: They give in because of the stress

Jocelyn: I think so. And there's always, people have said like, "Oh, what if I'll crush my child?" You know, it could happen.

Andrew: I've heard that I have heard that it could happen. We just don't want her in the bedroom.  Kind of like boundaries.

Jocelyn: I was just thinking boundaries.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jocelyn: Gotta set them early.

Andrew: Yeah

Jocelyn: You're doing great!

Andrew: Thanks. Even though sometimes I'm stressed out, but it's okay. I mean, that could also potentially be like a goal of mine, I think next year, just to not be as stressed out, is that everyone's goal. I mean, What are typical resolutions people have?

Jocelyn: I don't know if it's because I'm a woman and I've been conditioned this way, but I feel like a lot of people just want to lose weight or get fit or change their bodies in some way

Andrew: Pretty much. I mean, you do resolutions?

Jocelyn: I mean, I'll generally make a list of things that I could have done more of in the current year. And then I would want to strive to do in the next year. I don't know if you could call those resolutions. I mean, what are resolutions anyway?

Andrew: Oh I don't actually know. In terms of what a definition of a real resolution is, I never really thought about.

Jocelyn: Let's Google this. We've got the internet at our fingertips.

Andrew: That is true.

Jocelyn: Okay. A resolution is a noun, a firm decision to do or not to do something.

Andrew: Oh, yeah. Resolution like resolve

Jocelyn: Example: she kept her resolution not to see Ann anymore. Oof. Poor Ann.

Andrew: I know

Jocelyn: But maybe it was a toxic relationship and, you know,

Andrew: I was about to be like, what did she do?

Jocelyn: Cut that toxic shit out.

Andrew: I stopped doing resolutions I would say maybe like five or six years ago. And it was because. This sounds weird, but I was in a group fitness class where I really liked the instructor and I think it was near new year's and she was like, "I don't do resolutions anymore. I just do these themes of the coming year that I want to make sure, like, I live and manifest." And I was like, Oh, that's interesting. And I think one year I did, I wanted to reconnect with people or like my friends and build that relationship up. And then a one year was, I wanted to take care of my mental health. That was like the theme of the year mental health. And it was kind of like find a therapist, you know, start meditating, do art therapy, just figure things out like that.

Jocelyn: That's cool.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jocelyn: Do you feel like that approach has been beneficial?

Andrew: I think it's beneficial because it makes me feel like I have the whole year to figure that out. When I think normal resolutions. I know we talked about this, like go to the gym or, you know, lose weight. Like you don't necessarily see progress in the first week of January when you start that resolution and it eventually tapers off. And you know, those, I think are a lot harder to create a habit around. I'm not saying that like meditation is easier or going to a therapist is easier in terms of my mental health, but I feel like I have more times a year to be able to do that. Right? Like I don't have to do it the first week of January. I could start meditating then, but let's say I fall off it. Like I can restart it. And it's not a high bar to reach.

Jocelyn: I feel that. So I was looking up just now, resolution versus goal. And what's interesting is that goal being stated as the object of a person's ambition or effort, an aim or a desired result. So they're more directional versus having like a very firm statement of like a resolution where it's: I will not, I don't know. Eat any more oranges this year. Whereas a goal could be: my goal is to eat fewer oranges or something like maybe you have a high ass vitamin C count or something.

Andrew: My mom told me that if you have too much vitamin C, you just pee it out. That's an aside. Sorry.

Jocelyn: [laughs] Interesting.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, she used to tell me like, "Oh, take extra vitamin C like in a tablet. And that's why your pee gets all yellow." Now we're talking about pee.

Jocelyn: Interesting [laughs]

Andrew: Wait, You have to clarify this goal versus resolution thing for me, because I'm, I would say a little bit confused. So a goal is directional?

Jocelyn: So. based on what I've researched, basically the first page of the Google search result page, a goal provides direction to follow to achieve the desired outcome.

Andrew: I don't know if I feel that it's true all the time.

Jocelyn: And they're saying it involves intention, setting, planning, preparing, and taking realistic action.

Andrew: Okay. Okay. I can see that.

Jocelyn: So it's like, it feels more approachable, incremental, and I feel like if we're thinking about. Rigidity and like I'm picturing a rubber band for some reason, a goal to me: you're trying to break this like rubber band and you're like stretching it out. That's a goal. Like you can be working towards that versus a resolution is like: I want to snap this rubber band in a month. I actually don't know if that's a great analogy.

Andrew: Well, I was just thinking like resolution is like, there's, there's an end, but I mean, so does goal somewhat. Yeah. But the way that you explained how you achieve a goal is also very interesting because I think with resolutions, it's just like you do this thing and you're done versus a goal is like, there's a whole ecosystem of you, like: thinking about it, level-setting, getting yourself to figure it out. I would say that there are some times, you know, you come up with a goal that is actually out of reach, but it's also possible to break that goal down into smaller goals so that you can eventually reach it. But I think what's the difference between like, I want to lose weight as a resolution versus I want to lose weight as a goal?

Jocelyn: A firm decision to do or not do something. Maybe it's more, it's like the approach, like, let's say you do want to lose weight. A resolution of that could be, I will lose 10 pounds and it's very definite and whatever. Finite. But having the goal to lose 10 pounds... actually I don't know. [laughs]

Andrew: Very interesting. I am now looking up, this is now a huge history lesson. Where did you year's resolutions come from? Because, and the reason why I'm thinking about this is because, like why isn't it just New year's goal? Because like, sometimes they feel like the same thing, right?

Jocelyn: Yeah. And I'm actually thinking now, like, can you have goals to reach a resolution?

Andrew: Yeah, right. So like, you're going to have to have goals in order for you to get yourself to a resolution. Also, it now makes me feel like resolution and goal are like, kind of lost their meaning and have become the same thing in terms of new year's resolutions.

Jocelyn: And it's just more around like the framing of it. Like you're trying to achieve a desired outcome one way is saying like, it's a very definitive thing. The other way is like, You have practical steps to reach it. And

Andrew: I mean, not everyone has practical steps.

Jocelyn: Aspirational

Andrew: I think they're aspirational, definitely aspirational, but I don't think people like, you know, if, even if I wanted to lose 10 pounds, I'd be like, okay, now what do I have to do? Do I need to go to a personal trainer? Do I need to go to the gym? Do I need, like, there's like so many different things, but I don't know. I think I'm now coming up with the idea that all this stuff is bullshit.

Jocelyn: [laughs] Let us live.

Andrew: I mean, also the thing that's very kind of shitty is why does it have to be the new year that you have to do this?

Jocelyn: Yes. I think that's something that I've always had issues with. It's like, okay, I'll wait until their new year to do something new or to set some new intention for myself. When you could just, you could do that whenever you want to. And. I dunno why we put so much weight into the new year. It's like, what are you doing? New year's Eve? Like, are you going to see fireworks? Or like, are you going to bake all party and kissed somebody like, okay, first of all, I hope no one is fucking doing that this year because hello, global pandemic, stay the fuck home. Don't have indoor gatherings. Are you dumb.

Andrew: Unless you are, have been in a committed relationship with a person who's living with them.

Jocelyn: That's true. That's the only exception

Andrew: I was like, I was like, should people living together, not kiss each other? [laughs]

Jocelyn: Sorry to the listeners who have partners.

Andrew: Very true.

Jocelyn: I mean, okay. Maybe if you've been living with a group of people this whole time. Okay. There are exceptions. I'm not-

Andrew: You all can like make-out together on new year's day because you live together.

Jocelyn: Yeah. I think y'all know what I mean. Basically.

Andrew: Yeah, no, I agree. Sorry. I made a joke about it, but very true. Don't be having parties. Don't be having get togethers. It's ridiculous. But I agree with you on why does it have to be the new year? So my birthday is in June and I used to feel the same way about, like new year's resolutions with like my birthday as well. Like, Oh, I just turned 25. Like now it's a new year in quotes to like work on this thing. Right. So it was kind of like two times a year. I got to refresh what I wanted to have as a resolution or goal, but I think people like timeframes. Like for specific goals or, or resolutions or whatever. Right. Like I have this timeframe to do it. And we've talked about this before, where we always have a lot of ideas and a lot of like creative things that we want to do. And it's just like a good sort of time to start it.

Jocelyn: Yeah, I think I totally agree with you and how it's like a natural breaking point, right? You're in this like natural transition period of: it's literally becoming a new year or you're literally older and it just feels like a perfect natural time to reflect and think about what this new phase of your journey. Ooh, that sounds very... okay. Your new phase of life or whatever could be. And yeah

Andrew: Okay get this, I looked up where resolutions came from. It says that the ancient Babylonians were the first people to make new year's resolutions about 4,000 years ago and they, uh, had the first record of like, recorded celebration during this timeframe. And basically they made promises to the gods to pay their debts and return any objects they had borrowed. And those are kind of like the promises that were sort of their resolutions for the year. And if the gods favored what they did, and if the Babylonians kept their word, the gods would like bestow favor on them for the next year.

Jocelyn: Interesting. So it's, it's almost like this punishment. Yeah. Like you're indebted, otherwise it will be punished and that's how resolution started.

Andrew: Well, yeah. I mean,

Jocelyn: shit.

Andrew: If you think about resolutions and what resolutions mean, it's like what you will and will or will not do. And if you do it, it turns out positively. And if you don't do it, then it turns out negatively potentially. Versus goals. If you don't do it, you just don't reach it. I don't know if that's true.

Jocelyn: But you could argue that that's negative.

Andrew: Yes.

Jocelyn: Which is basically the same as a resolution are resolutions, vocal and goals are internal. Does that make sense?

Andrew: So like, you actually tell people what your resolutions are. So like, there is some sort of accountability there

Jocelyn: Hmm but you can be accountable to yourself.

Andrew: True. But I can't.

Jocelyn: [laughs] you need the help of others to help you hold yourself accountable.

Andrew: Partially. I think that people can enhance that, right? Like I'm not saying that I can't hold myself accountable. Like I definitely can. It's just, sometimes it's just not as important as I thought it would be. So I'm not going to do that. But if other people let's say, you know, you and I both feel like it's important, then it is also important to someone else. So like, there is, there's some connection there, a relationship with that goal that like, I, I would like to reach.

Jocelyn: Mhm, in that case, is it almost like a mutual benefit? If this goal is reached. Or progress has made towards this end result.

Andrew: I guess it depends on what the goal is. Right? So like, if the goal is for both people, then I guess it is. But if the goal is just for me, and I said, my goal is to build a business and you, and you were like every, like two weeks where like, Oh, how's your business going? How's your business going? Right. Like, it feels like there's a little bit more like dependence on that, where I'm like, Oh, like someone's actually like kind of interested in this. And it feels like I should make progress on this. Whether the progress is smaller, large is up to me. But yeah, I think it's, it's really nice to have someone who is kind of bought into the same goal, but not necessarily needs to achieve that goal as well.

Jocelyn: I feel that, and I think the support is definitely helpful and gives you something to report back to that person.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, conversation, I'm basically saying that resolutions are crap. And we shouldn't do them.

Jocelyn: Fuck the resolution

Andrew: Pretty much. I'm just like, screw those and do whatever the hell you want.

Jocelyn: Yeah. I mean, looking at my list I have right now...

Andrew: How long is your list? Are they goals or resolutions?

Jocelyn: You know, I mean, right now they're very bare bones and it's just like, one is I have them categorized. Okay. So one is creative projects. That's my like larger bucket. And I had this idea of making a zine this year of some photos that I've taken. And so something on the list is to make a zine.

Andrew: Okay.

Jocelyn: So would you consider that, is that a resolution or is that a goal?

Andrew: I think it's a goal. I don't naturally think of anything as a resolution.

Jocelyn: Yeah. The more that we're talking about this, I really think it just boils down to like your approach to the thing

Andrew: Like how you're going to achieve that thing?

Jocelyn: Yeah. And maybe that's not even accurate to the description or maybe, I don't know, like why are they different?

Andrew: No, I agree. I'm like, why are they different? And what's the point?

Jocelyn: This is bullshit.

Andrew: Nothing matters. Just kidding.

Jocelyn: I mean, I'm just thinking too, like, is this because corporations and businesses want people to have these resolutions? Cause I'm thinking of like, let's talk about it as weight loss, resolution gyms are going to be like, yo, here's a membership. It's like a discount, like come and use our facilities. Obviously not this year.

Andrew: I mean, it's probably the number one month that people will sign up. Right?

Jocelyn: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean, that's why the gym is the busiest in January.

Jocelyn: Yeah.

Andrew: As I think about it, I definitely thought in my head like, Oh, I would like to get better in terms of my health and nutrition. Right? Like, that's always been like a goal of mine. And I thought, what do you think that timeframe does help? Like January having this time to be like, okay, everyone else is kind of doing it. Cool. Like I can start then and I can see that it hasn't gotten better this past year. So I should start again. I don't know. I'm just thinking it's like a horrible cycle that you're just going through over and over and over.

Jocelyn: I don't know. I feel stumped.

Andrew: No, I feel the same way too, because I'm just like, I don't, I stopped doing resolutions because I knew that I wasn't going to achieve them. That sounds so sad to say, but I don't know if those resolutions are just like freeform very low, like huge goals. I don't know.

Jocelyn: Mhm. I wish I had my list from last year assessable, cause I, I have no idea where the fuck it is, which is probably one of the problems. Couldn't tell you if I've achieved any of them, because I can't remember what they were.

Andrew: Our resolutions, just like thoughtless goals, things that we, we want, but. Don't put the effort into kind of thing.

Jocelyn: Yeah. And especially like, if your list is long, you're going to need to like prioritize or like break those down somehow to actually achieve them or make any steps towards them, which is a lot of effort.

Andrew: I'm curious on average, how many resolutions people have.

Jocelyn: Maybe there's like a magic number.

Andrew: Three.

Jocelyn: There's probably some data out there, like someone's done a study, maybe.

Andrew: These are the studies that I'm like, this is funded. Like people actually fund this study.

Jocelyn: [laughs] Maybe.

Andrew: I mean, there's probably a study on people who have made resolutions and those and seen how many have kept them.

Jocelyn: Yes. And I bet you, there's some sort of link between like, Your personality type and like, I don't know.

Andrew: What type of personality type though? Enneagram? Myers-Briggs?

Jocelyn: Maybe there's like astrology thrown in there too. I mean, I don't fucking know it could be anything.

Andrew: Weren't we talking about it astrology the other day?

Jocelyn: Maybe?

Andrew: And how it reflects in our work habits or something like that? I don't know.

Jocelyn: I don't recall.

Andrew: Okay. I think it was tarot. We were talking about tarot cards

Jocelyn: 'Cause I recently had a reading done.

Andrew: Yeah. Are you gonna leave the listeners on a tangent there or like, are you gonna leave them hanging there?

Jocelyn: The general theme was lots of swords and generally swords symbolize. Hold on. I need to look this up just to make sure I don't fuck it up for all you listening. By all you, I mean two people.

Andrew: Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. New year's goal of having 4 people listen.

Jocelyn: That's a good goal. Okay. The sword symbolizes the intellect and the heart, the emotions, which always suffer under this treatment.

Andrew: What does that even mean? I love tarot and Zodiac and just like how vague some, some of it is. And you're just kind of like interpreting it yourself.

Jocelyn: It is interesting because, well, so my roommate did a reading for me two weeks ago now? I don't fucking know, but it really depends on the deck of cards that you have. So he has. I think three decks. He got like two new ones recently and he's, so he's not familiar with them.

Andrew: Wait did he buy them himself, because I always heard that you're supposed to be gifted a taro deck.

Jocelyn: Oh, interesting. He did buy them himself, I think.

Andrew: Does that lose its power?

Jocelyn: I have no idea.

Andrew: I don't know either, but I've, I've always heard that you were supposed to be gifted at deck in order for it to be something.

Jocelyn: Interesting. I'll have to ask him to confirm.

Andrew: Okay.

Jocelyn: But yes, he basically, he read me and the theme was just holding a lot of swords, AKA, a lot of things in my brain and needing to do some thinking and figure out which things I want to pursue and which I want to leave behind. And that's like, generally the theme.

Andrew: Do you remember the shape in which he put the cards down, I know there's like different patterns or styles or whatever.

Jocelyn: Oh yeah. I know what it looks like, but I don't, I don't know what it was called. It wasn't the like past present future, you know what? I have a photo of it. I don't know if that's helpful.

Andrew: I don't know. I just know that it's like three, five, seven or something. I made that up, but it's something like odd number.

Jocelyn: It's five.

Andrew: Okay. Oh, it looks kind of like a cross. Yes. I'm not too. Well-versed in taro to tell you what that is.

Jocelyn: I barely know. So. I could be very wrong.

Andrew: Interesting. So your new year's read, are you going to do another one? How often should you do one?

Jocelyn: Maybe I will. I honestly don't know. Like, do you do one every day? Is that relevant at that point?

Andrew: I don't know if it's relevant at that point, unless it's like one card a day to like help shape your day.

Jocelyn: Interesting. Well, there's this app called Golden thread tarot.

Andrew: Oh yeah. I used to have that one.

Jocelyn: And it lets you draw a car today.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jocelyn: So that's what made me, but...

Andrew: So I guess that's true. I guess it's possible. Maybe we should just base our resolutions and goals for 2021 based on taro. Yeah, we could just pick a card and just that's your year.

Jocelyn: Yeah. I mean, we could give it a shot.

Andrew: True. I feel like everything I've ever done in terms of psychic slash tarot reading has never, has partially come true. I would say

Jocelyn: I've never had a psychic reading.

Andrew: Yeah. The psychic reading was odd. I mean,

Jocelyn: How so?

Andrew: She basically said that, what I inferred was, I think she. Said that I was gay, which was true, but she also said that I would drop out of high school to work with my uncle that begins with a C, which I do have an uncle that begins with a C and to work on some sort of business with him. Which interesting obviously has not happened. Not obvious. I mean, people don't know my history, but like, no, I did not drop out of high school.

Jocelyn: Okay. So you had this done in high school.

Andrew: Yes. I had that done in high school. I had a terror reading at like a holiday party once and it basically said in the next year you will be coming into some money, which was true because I, I got promoted. Within that year. And I got some money from it or at least I think that's what happened. I, I knew, I remember that like my salary went up that year and I was like, Oh, but I didn't associate the two. I was just like, that's cool. And then. The year happened and it just happened.

Jocelyn: Interesting.

Andrew: I don't know.

Jocelyn: Do you think by, I mean, I guess this isn't possible for your money thing, but do you think when people get a psychic reading, they like find ways subconsciously to make it come true because they heard about it. And I don't know.

Andrew: That's interesting, cause like the, this poses, the question of like, if you knew what would happen in the future, like, would you change what you're doing now? Right. So like, if. Because I was told I was going to get, I was going to drop out of high school and start a business with my uncle. Like, was I really interested in doing that at the time? No. So part of me was like, I don't think I'm actually doing that. Like, I'm not going to drop out of high school and, like I was a senior at the time. I'm like, I'm not going to drop out of high school, but also the open-ended question is like, would you change what you were doing in order, if you knew what was going to happen?

Jocelyn: Right. If all the sci-fi movies are pointing to anything, if something's going to happen, it's going to happen.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jocelyn: No matter if you try to change its course. Yeah. Who knows if that's actually true.

Andrew: True. But I mean, it's the, you know, through all that scifi stuff too, it's like, If people try to change it, like it will happen anyway. Like it doesn't naturally like change anything.

Jocelyn: Yeah. Like maybe you can alter, I mean, this is based on movies and whatever.

Andrew: So real factual stuff

Jocelyn: Yes, these are facts. People, true facts. Not fake news.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jocelyn: But yeah, it's like, this thing will happen whether it's tomorrow or in 10 years, but it's going to happen.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jocelyn: Based on choices that you make. Yeah. Interesting. Do you think you would want to know what happens to you? Like for the rest of your life, would you want to know now?

Andrew: No, I don't. And not be able to change it. I do not want to know, because that latter part, if I didn't, if I wasn't able to change it, then like, what's the point? Like,

Jocelyn: Yeah.

Andrew: Like if let's say. You learned that you were going to die from a horrible disease? Like the only thing I would change was like, I would do a lot more things now to like enjoy my life before I do that. But I think that's sort of natural with anything I do. I think death is inevitable. Like we all know it's coming. We just don't know when. Right. So I don't know if knowing the future would really change anything. I mean, what would you, would you want to know?

Jocelyn: [laughs] No, I wouldn't want to know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jocelyn: I think it's the same thing with like the genetic stuff that you can get these days, like "find out what deadly disease you might have in the future"  like no, I'll find out when I find out.

Andrew: Yeah. It's like, what are you going to do? Prepare

Jocelyn: I guess. Yeah. It, it makes it, I guess, like, constantly thinking about it. Yeah.

Andrew: I think that's, that's like added stress on top of things, right? Oof. Weird to think about.

Jocelyn: It is weird to think about.

Andrew: I mean, either way that doesn't change my goals for next year. so.

Jocelyn: I mean, given this conversation, I might just revise my approach.

Andrew: I mean, to each our own, I think everyone can approach their resolutions or goals on a yearly basis, a monthly basis, a weekly basis, whatever you want. But I just hope that everyone has the motivation to like really accomplish them because they want it.

Jocelyn: Yeah, totally. [laughs] Did, was that a natural end to the conversation?

Andrew: I think so. I think we can, uh, we can end to that. I was like, well, this, this episode is like factually deep, not factually, but like more serious than normal.

Jocelyn: Yeah. It's interesting because I'd actually love to get other people to like weigh in. Like what do listeners think a resolution is versus a goal? Are they the same? Are they not?

Andrew: You can ask that.

Jocelyn: Yeah. @ us!

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, I would, I would love to see how many people actually make resolutions and how people make goals or if they do or do not. And how many, like stick to them overall.

Jocelyn: And if you want to share: what is one of them?

Andrew: True what's everyone's resolution for 2021?

Jocelyn: Let us know. Well, I guess that's all we got.

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